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as -- in rural new york higher fertility rates than soon to become new york city. as you have a more urban country, a less rural country. children survive at the higher rate, you're naturally getting people to have fewer babies. again, these are good effects. that's one of the things i try to mention in the book is that, you know, to preserve the overall effect on this creates problems. not every one of the causes is a problem. some are wonderful things. and even wonderful things can, you know, have ill and adverse effects. >> well, why would urbanization lower fertility? >> guest: well, lots of reasons. one which is simple cost. when you urbanize, everything costs more. the higher your population density, the higher your costs of living. higher land costs, higher child care costs, higher education costs, and not just that. as we look back historically and we move from, you know, to an industrial society. in a society children are free work. right. you have seven kids and workingen a a family farm by the time the kids are 10 years old. those are helping hands. when you live in the city and
city. as you have the more urban country into lesra my country a country where children survive at a much higher rate, you are naturally getting people to have fewer babies. again these are good effects. that is one of the things i try to mention in the book is that to observe that with the overall effect on this creates problems and that isn't to say everyone is itself a problem and some of them are wonderful things. even wonderful things can have ill and adverse effects. >> host:>> host: why would urban lower fertility? >> for lots of reasons. one of which is cost. when you are but nice everything costs more. the higher your population density the higher your cost of living and higher land costs hired childcare costs and higher education cost and not just that but if we look back historically and we move from an agrarian society to an industrial society children are free work, right? you have seven kids and to work on a family farm and by the time the kids are 10 years old there is a helping hand. when you live in the city and working in factories and doing increasingly mechan
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